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    Luther and theological determinists like Schleiermacher h... — Carmelics
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    Challenges→Even if God's creative will grounds my act of deciding, the decision remains mine and not God's.

    Luther and theological determinists like Schleiermacher held that an act can be genuinely predicated of a creature while God remains its sole sufficient originating cause.

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    • 1.Divine causation and creaturely causation operate on different metaphysical levels, so both can be complete without contradiction.
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    • 2.Scripture attributes moral responsibility and praise/blame to creatures, which presupposes genuine agency independent of determinism.
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    • 3.God's causation of an act through a creature's will constitutes the creature's own willing, not external compulsion of it.
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    • 1.If God is the sole sufficient cause, no additional creaturely cause is needed; positing one violates causal parsimony.
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    • 2.An act cannot satisfy both 'genuinely predicated of creature' and 'God alone sufficiently causes it' without equivocation on agency.
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    • 3.This position rescues divine omnipotence only by abandoning meaningful creaturely freedom, making responsibility attribution incoherent.
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