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    Even within a single language, translation already occurs. — Carmelics
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    Even within a single language, translation already occurs.

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    • 1.An idiom within one language can carry multiple, undecidable meanings that require interpretation.
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    • 2.The act of choosing between those meanings constitutes a form of translation.
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    • 3.Therefore Babelization — the plurality associated with multiple languages — is already present within a single language.
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    • 1.Translation requires a source language and a target language that are structurally distinct, not merely semantically ambiguous regions within one system.
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    • 2.Disambiguating polysemy within a language is an act of interpretation governed by shared grammatical rules, whereas translation crosses incommensurable rule-systems.
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    • 3.Conflating interpretation with translation equivocates on 'translation,' robbing the term of the theoretical work it must do in linguistics and philosophy of language.
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    • 1.Wittgenstein's rule-following considerations show that competent speakers resolve ambiguity via community practice, not a translation-like mediation between rival meanings.
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    • 2.If intra-linguistic ambiguity already constituted translation, then successful communication within a language would be inexplicable, yet such communication is demonstrably routine.
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    Nevertheless, for Derrida, a kind of purity remains as a value. In his 1992 The Monolingualism of the Other, Derrida speaks of his “shameful intolerance” for anything but the purity of the French language (as opposed to French contaminated with English words like “le weekend”). Derrida says, “I still do not dare admit this compulsive demand for a purity of language except within boundaries of which I can be sure: this demand is neither ethical, political, nor social. It does not inspire any judg
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