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    It is not the case that Everything owes its existence directly or indirectly to God

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    Reasons For

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    Reason for 1 of 2
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    • 1.Spinoza's substance monism demonstrates that a self-caused infinite substance can ground existence without functioning as a transcendent creator in any theistically meaningful sense.
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    • 2.If God's causal relationship to creation is necessary rather than free, then 'owing existence to God' becomes a logical or structural dependency, not a theologically robust creation ex nihilo.
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    • 3.A necessary emanation relation, as in Plotinus, undermines the asymmetric dependence the claim requires, since the One itself is constituted partly through its relation to what proceeds from it.
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    Reason for 2 of 2
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    • 1.Necessary existence can be instantiated by multiple independent beings, as Avicenna's own modal framework does not logically exclude co-necessary existents.
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    • 2.Al-Farabi's inference from 'pure unity' to numerical singularity conflates conceptual purity with ontological uniqueness, a fallacy Scotus later identified in similar arguments.
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    Reasons Against

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    • 1.Everything is either one or many
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    • 2.Any many is a collection of ones
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    • 3.Any one depends on a pure one
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