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    It is not the case that God can apply the results of Jesus's atoning death and resurrection to people who have never heard of Jesus or acknowledged his lordship.

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    Reasons For

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    • 1.Classical Reformed theology, following Calvin, holds that God's salvific will is particular, not universal, making 'desiring all to be saved' theologically contested.
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    • 2.If salvation requires genuine faith in Christ's atoning work, applying atonement without cognitive assent collapses the distinction between justification and universalism.
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    • 3.Alvin Plantinga's reformed epistemology grounds warrant in proper function, suggesting salvific belief formed without Christological content lacks the cognitive structure required for saving faith.
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    Reason for 2 of 2
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    • 1.John Hick's pluralist framework shows that selectively universalizing one tradition's mechanism of salvation is an ad hoc modification that undermines the exclusivist commitments justifying the claim's Christocentrism.
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    • 2.If atonement's benefits can be applied without knowledge of Christ, the historical particularity of the Incarnation loses its soteriological necessity, contradicting orthodox Chalcedonian commitments.
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    • 3.D.A. Carson argues in 'The Gagging of God' that scriptural warrant consistently ties salvific efficacy to proclaimed, received, and confessed Gospel content, not abstract divine application.
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    Reasons Against

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    • 1.God is love and desires everyone to be saved.
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    • 2.Christianity holds that salvation comes through Jesus's atoning death and resurrection.
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    • 3.A God who desires universal salvation would not restrict salvation solely to those with explicit knowledge of Jesus.
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