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    It is not the case that God is timeless.

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    • 1.Divine action in history (creation, revelation, incarnation) entails temporal relations between God and world.
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    • 2.A timeless being cannot stand in asymmetric before/after relations required for genuine causal agency in time.
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    • 3.Therefore, a God who acts in history cannot be strictly timeless.
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    Reason for 2 of 2
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    • 1.Boethius's 'eternal present' collapses into incoherence: if God timelessly knows future free acts, those acts are necessitated, violating libertarian freedom.
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    • 2.Divine simplicity, as Alvin Plantinga argues, entails that God's knowledge IS God, making contingent knowledge of contingent facts metaphysically impossible for a simple being.
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    Reasons Against

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    • 1.Perfection requires divine simplicity.
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    • 2.Simplicity requires timelessness.
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