Skip to content
Carmelics
TopicsThinkersChangesContributorsLoading account…

    Carmelics

    A reasoning platform. Break down any belief into clear reasons, explore both sides, and weigh the evidence honestly.

    Navigate

    • Topics
    • Search
    • Recent Changes
    • Contribute
    • How It Works
    • Glossary
    • Thinkers
    • Contributors
    • About
    • Statistics
    • Terms
    • Privacy

    Database

    Statements
    —
    Perspectives
    —
    Topics
    —

    Press ? for keyboard shortcuts

    LoyalLoyalJusticeJustice
    Made withinDC&Austin
    Statements
    321,452
    Perspectives
    108,905
    Topics
    42
    Home/Original/inverse
    See Original
    Inverse View

    It is not the case that God will not prevent us from separating ourselves from him, even forever, if that is what we freely choose to do.

    ?Set your confidence on the premises below to see your aggregate.

    Reasons For

    2 perspectives
    Reason for 1 of 2
    ?
    • 1.A perfectly loving God who possesses the capacity to save all souls without overriding freedom, but refrains, fails the standard of omnibenevolence.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    • 2.Universalists like Origen and contemporary philosopher Thomas Talbott argue God's infinite resourcefulness entails He can bring all rational wills to freely choose Him across time.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    • 3.If God can actualize worlds where all freely choose salvation, eternal separation is not a constraint of freedom but a failure of divine creative intention.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    Reason for 2 of 2
    ?
    • 1.The concept of a 'free' final choice presupposes a fully informed, uncoerced rational agent, conditions that finite, corrupted human wills in mortal life cannot satisfy.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    • 2.Kant's account of radical evil and Marilyn McCord Adams's work on horrendous evil suggest human wills are so distorted that post-mortem choices cannot bear the moral weight of eternal consequence.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    Reasons Against

    1 perspective
    Reason against
    ?
    • 1.Free will is a precious gift and an expression of God's love for us.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    • 2.The very love that seeks our salvation also respects our freedom.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    Next step

    Based on where you are in your exploration

    Strongest counterpoint
    Explore the most compelling reason on the other side.