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    God will not prevent us from separating ourselves from hi... — Carmelics
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    God will not prevent us from separating ourselves from him, even forever, if that is what we freely choose to do.

    Afterlife & DeathEternal Conscious Torment
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    • 1.Free will is a precious gift and an expression of God's love for us.
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    • 2.The very love that seeks our salvation also respects our freedom.
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    • 1.A perfectly loving God who possesses the capacity to save all souls without overriding freedom, but refrains, fails the standard of omnibenevolence.
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    • 2.Universalists like Origen and contemporary philosopher Thomas Talbott argue God's infinite resourcefulness entails He can bring all rational wills to freely choose Him across time.
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    • 3.If God can actualize worlds where all freely choose salvation, eternal separation is not a constraint of freedom but a failure of divine creative intention.
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    • 1.The concept of a 'free' final choice presupposes a fully informed, uncoerced rational agent, conditions that finite, corrupted human wills in mortal life cannot satisfy.
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    • 2.Kant's account of radical evil and Marilyn McCord Adams's work on horrendous evil suggest human wills are so distorted that post-mortem choices cannot bear the moral weight of eternal consequence.
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    The basic idea here is that hell, along with the self imposed misery it entails, is essentially a freely embraced condition rather than a forcibly imposed punishment;[7] and because freedom and determinism are incompatible, the creation of free moral agents carries an inherent risk of ultimate tragedy. Whether essential to our personhood or not, free will is a precious gift, an expression of God’s love for us; and because the very love that seeks our salvation also respects our freedom, God will not prevent us from separating ourselves from him, even forever, if that is what we freely choose...

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