Skip to content
Carmelics
TopicsThinkersChangesContributorsLoading account…

    Carmelics

    A reasoning platform. Break down any belief into clear reasons, explore both sides, and weigh the evidence honestly.

    Navigate

    • Topics
    • Search
    • Recent Changes
    • Contribute
    • How It Works
    • Glossary
    • Thinkers
    • Contributors
    • About
    • Statistics
    • Terms
    • Privacy

    Database

    Statements
    —
    Perspectives
    —
    Topics
    —

    Press ? for keyboard shortcuts

    LoyalLoyalJusticeJustice
    Made withinDC&Austin
    Statements
    321,452
    Perspectives
    108,905
    Topics
    42
    If God can actualize worlds where all freely choose salva... — Carmelics
    Home
    HistoryEditSee Inverse

    Part of a larger discussion

    Challenges→God will not prevent us from separating ourselves from him, even forever, if that is what we freely choose to do.

    If God can actualize worlds where all freely choose salvation, eternal separation is not a constraint of freedom but a failure of divine creative intention.

    ?Rate how convincing each reason is below to see the overall strength.
    1 reason for
    1 reason against

    Reasons For

    1 perspective
    Reason for
    ?
    • 1.Omnipotent beings can actualize any logically possible world, including those where free agents consistently choose good.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    • 2.If eternal separation is avoidable through divine action, allowing it suggests prioritizing something over universal salvation.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    • 3.A morally perfect creator would not permit preventable damnation when alternative worlds exist.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    Reasons Against

    1 perspective
    Reason against
    ?
    • 1.Free choice to reject salvation may be metaphysically incompatible with guaranteed universal acceptance, even for omnipotent beings.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    • 2.Respecting libertarian freedom requires allowing agents to actualize rejection-worlds, which God cannot prevent without removing freedom.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    • 3.Creative intention might include valuing the reality of human autonomy over optimizing outcomes, making separation a feature, not failure.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    Sign in or register to share your perspective on this statement.

    Next step

    Based on where you are in your exploration

    Strongest counterpoint
    Explore the most compelling reason on the other side.

    Connections

    2 topics

    Eternal Conscious Torment1 linkedAfterlife & Death1 linked

    Related

    A morally perfect creator would not permit preventable damnation when alternativ...Creative intention might include valuing the reality of human autonomy over opti...Free choice to reject salvation may be metaphysically incompatible with guarante...God will not prevent us from separating ourselves from him, even forever, if tha...
    +3 moreShow less
    If eternal separation is avoidable through divine action, allowing it suggests p...Omnipotent beings can actualize any logically possible world, including those wh...Respecting libertarian freedom requires allowing agents to actualize rejection-w...

    Details

    Type
    claim
    Perspectives
    2 (1 for, 1 against)
    Edits
    1 edit