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    It is not the case that God's creative activity does not violate libertarian freedom.

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    Reasons For

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    Reason for 1 of 2
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    • 1.If God eternally and immutably wills the complete causal history of a creature's act, then that act's occurrence is necessitated by divine decree prior to any creaturely deliberation.
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    • 2.An act necessitated by a prior determining condition—even a 'ground of being'—fails the sourcehood condition required by libertarian freedom.
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    • 3.Describing divine causality as 'non-competitive' or 'transcendent' does not dissolve the logical incompatibility; it relocates the determining condition outside spacetime without eliminating it.
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    Reason for 2 of 2
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    • 1.Libertarian freedom requires that the agent, given identical prior conditions, could have done otherwise—a condition Aquinas's God undermines by infallibly actualizing one world-history through providence.
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    • 2.Thomistic concurrentism, as Garrigou-Lagrange acknowledges, entails that God's premotion physically predetermines the creature's act to one determinate outcome, rendering genuine alternatives impossible.
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    Reasons Against

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    • 1.God's causality as creator does not act upon creatures or force them to do things, but rather creates them in their doings, so that they behave freely.
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    • 2.God's creative activity does not count as an independent determining condition of creaturely decision and action.
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    • 3.Assuming God's own will is free, there is no event in heaven or earth that is independent of my deciding and which causes my decision.
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