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    Grumbling at the way things are is evidence of impiety — Carmelics
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    Grumbling at the way things are is evidence of impiety

    Insubordination to GodVirtue Ethics
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    • 1.Grumbling at the way things are implies the world is not providentially run
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    • 2.Denying that the world is providentially run is impiety for a Stoic
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    • 3.The implicit commitment of one who finds fault with things as they are is that the world is governed by atoms rather than providence
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    • 1.Lamentation and complaint can coexist with acceptance of providence, as Job's protest against suffering demonstrates within a theistic framework.
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    • 2.Expressing grief at circumstances differs logically from denying providential governance; one can affirm God's order while mourning one's place within it.
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    • 3.Stoic apatheia as the only pious response conflates epistemically appropriate emotional reaction with metaphysical commitment about cosmic structure.
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    • 1.Aristotle's account of righteous indignation (nemesis) treats complaint at genuine injustice as a virtue, not a theological failing.
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    • 2.If providential order includes rational creatures whose nature involves evaluative response, grumbling may itself be an expression of the rational nature providence instilled.
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    Virtue EthicsInsubordination to God

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    To understand what the thought, ‘providence or atoms’, is doing here we have to connect it with the discontent that is the topic of the passage. Marcus is admonishing himself for his discontent with things as they stand, saying to himself, ‘if you are finding fault with things as they are, then you must think that they are not due to providence. But if they’re not due to providence, then they’re the result of random causes.’ In this passage, ‘atoms’ functions as the implicit commitment of one wh
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