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    If a free person merely possessed freedom, that freedom w... — Carmelics
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    If a free person merely possessed freedom, that freedom would be external to the person and the person would never be freedom itself.

    Free Will & ForeknowledgePersonal Identity
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    • 1.Possession implies a relationship between a subject and something external to that subject.
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    • 2.What is external to a person is not identical to that person.
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    • 3.Therefore, mere possession of freedom precludes identity with freedom.
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    • 1.Locke and Hume treat personal identity as a bundle of properties including capacities, where 'having' a disposition just is what it means to be the kind of thing one is.
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    • 2.On a dispositional ontology, freedom as a stable capacity is not external to the agent but partially definitive of the agent's nature, making possession and identity compatible.
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    • 3.Eckhart's argument illicitly assumes a Cartesian-style bare subject that exists independently of its properties, which dispositional and bundle theorists explicitly reject.
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    • 1.Aristotle's hylomorphic account shows that essential properties can be 'possessed' by a substance without being external to it — form is both had and constitutive.
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    • 2.If possession can be internal and constitutive, Eckhart's dichotomy between possessing freedom and being freedom collapses as a false dilemma.
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    D. Consequently, the just man is in justice, which means: The just man is justice. This implies a reversal of the usual way of looking at things. Normally, a quality (qualitas) is what is found in an underlying subject (subiectum). With the spiritual perfections (perfectiones spirituales), however, the situation is different: The subjects are in the perfections, the just man is in justice. But in the realm of the spirit, being-in is nothing other than being-one. Hence, the just man, who is in ju
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    What is external to a person is not identical to that person.
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