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    Manipulation of one person by another does not automatica... — Carmelics
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    Manipulation of one person by another does not automatically undermine freedom

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    • 1.In real life, people may be manipulated by others through arguments or persuasion to do things they would not otherwise have done
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    • 2.This kind of manipulation is not ordinarily thought to rob a person of free will or the ability to act freely in the way required for moral responsibility
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    • 3.People believe they could have resisted the manipulative argument or persuasion
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    • 1.Persuasion that bypasses rational agency—exploiting cognitive biases, emotional vulnerabilities, or false beliefs—differs categorically from legitimate rational influence.
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    • 2.Frankfurt-style cases show that an agent can be manipulated into having the very second-order volitions they endorse, undermining the self-authorship condition compatibilists like Frankfurt require for freedom.
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    • 3.If manipulated agents cannot distinguish covert rational subversion from genuine deliberation, their subsequent self-blame is evidence of false belief, not genuine freedom.
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    • 1.Derk Pereboom's four-case manipulation argument demonstrates that if a neuroscientist directly programs an agent's reasons-responsive mechanism, compatibilist conditions can be fully satisfied yet the agent is clearly unfree.
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    • 2.If manipulation that satisfies all compatibilist conditions still intuitively undermines responsibility, then satisfying those conditions is insufficient for freedom, and ordinary persuasion cases cannot be used to vindicate compatibilism by analogy.
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    It would be a mistake, however, to think that manipulation of one person by another automatically undermines freedom. In real life, we know that we may be manipulated by others to do things we would not have done, but for their arguments or other ways of persuading us to change our minds. Absent further reasons, we don’t think that this kind of manipulation robs us of free will or the ability to act freely in the way required for moral responsibility. We think that we could have resisted the arg
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