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    If ECT is true, then God is evil — Carmelics
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    Challenges→Eternal Conscious Torment is the true Hell

    If ECT is true, then God is evil

    Against an aspect of GodEternal Conscious Torment
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    • 1.Retributive punishment is only justified when proportionate to the offense, as Kant himself insisted in the Metaphysics of Morals.
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    • 2.Finite temporal sins cannot generate infinite guilt, making infinite punishment categorically disproportionate by any coherent retributive framework.
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    • 3.A being who knowingly imposes disproportionate suffering without remedial purpose satisfies the philosophical definition of a malicious agent.
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    • 1.Rowe's evidential problem of evil holds that gratuitous suffering—suffering with no outweighing justification—constitutes evidence against omnibenevolence.
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    • 2.ECT entails suffering that is by definition permanent and remediationless, satisfying Rowe's criterion of gratuitousness since no future good can be achieved for the sufferer.
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    • 3.A being who architects and sustains a system generating gratuitous infinite suffering bears moral responsibility for that evil, regardless of creaturely choice.
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    • 1.It says that God would have a bloodthirst that would never be quenched
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    • 2.If the above is true, God is evil
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    • 1.It says that God will hurt people forever
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    • 2.A God who does so is evil
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    • 1.It says God to be without the mercy to let the damned die
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    • 2.A God who does so is evil
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    • 1.It says God would allow purposeless suffering
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    • 2.A God who does so is evil
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    <html> <head> </head> <body> <p> In this situation, we are avoiding "would be" or "could be"--we want definitives: is God evil, or is He not? </p> <p> The exception, of course, is if one were to argue that God would only be evil in that instance, but would not necessarially be evil forever. But, considering the unchanging nature of God that most accept, it would seem that most would not argue this. </p> <p> However, it would be good if a user&#xa0;came in and added that for clarity: God does not change, so if His action is ever evil, He is evil. </p> </body> </html>

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