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    If God engineers experiential conditions specifically to ... — Carmelics
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    Challenges→God would have a sure-fire way to shatter the illusions that make sinners' rebellion possible, even for the most tenacious sinners.

    If God engineers experiential conditions specifically to produce repentance, the resulting conversion is causally determined by divine manipulation, not genuine free choice.

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    • 1.Causal determinism about mental states undermines moral responsibility; if God determines repentance conditions, the agent cannot be otherwise.
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    • 2.Genuine choice requires alternative possibilities; divinely engineered repentance eliminates the real possibility of non-repentance.
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    • 3.The distinction between manipulation and persuasion collapses when the persuader controls all background conditions of the persuaded.
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    • 1.Compatibilists argue free choice only requires acting from one's own desires; divine engineering of those desires doesn't negate freedom.
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    • 2.God creating conditions for repentance differs morally from forcing repentance; the agent still undergoes genuine internal conversion.
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    • 3.All human choice involves prior causal factors (upbringing, neurology, circumstances); divine engineering isn't uniquely deterministic.
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