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    God would have a sure-fire way to shatter the illusions t... — Carmelics
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    God would have a sure-fire way to shatter the illusions that make sinners' rebellion possible, even for the most tenacious sinners.

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    • 1.God need only honor sinners' own free choices and permit them to experience the very life they have confusedly chosen for themselves.
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    • 2.Experiencing the consequences of their freely chosen life apart from God would teach them a hard lesson and do the most good.
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    • 1.Frankfurt's work on free will shows that agents can be compelled by external conditions without this nullifying the authenticity of their resulting choices.
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    • 2.If God engineers experiential conditions specifically to produce repentance, the resulting conversion is causally determined by divine manipulation, not genuine free choice.
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    • 3.A conversion that God guarantees through orchestrated suffering cannot serve as the basis for authentic moral relationship, undermining the very good it was meant to achieve.
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    • 1.Kant's Formula of Humanity prohibits treating rational agents merely as means, yet using engineered suffering to shatter illusions treats persons as objects to be reprogrammed.
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    • 2.A God who overrides persistent rational commitments—even confused ones—through guaranteed experiential coercion violates the dignity that grounds the moral order such a God is supposed to uphold.
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    If this argument should be sound, it also seems to follow that, no matter how tenaciously some sinners might pursue a life apart from God and resist the divine purpose for their lives, God would have, as a sort of last resort, a sure-fire way to shatter the illusions that make their rebellion possible in the first place. To do so, God need only honor their own free choices and permit them to experience the very life they have confusedly chosen for themselves. Why interfere with someone’s freedom, after all, at the very point where honoring that freedom would in fact teach a hard lesson and the...

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