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    If physicalism is true and S summarizes the total nature of the world, then S# is already implicitly included in S, making the proposition S# merely an expansion of S rather than an independent claim.

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    • 1.Physicalism holds that the physical facts exhaust all facts about the world.
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    • 2.S is a complete physical description of the world.
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    • 3.If S is complete, any further proposition S# that follows from the physical facts is already implicit in S.
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    • 1.Phenomenal concepts like 'what it is like to see red' are not reducible to functional or physical concepts, even given complete physical knowledge.
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    • 2.If phenomenal concepts are irreducible, S# describing qualia introduces genuinely new content not derivable from S by logical expansion alone.
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    • 3.Chalmers' conceivability of philosophical zombies demonstrates that S can be true while S# remains epistemically independent, undermining the claim of mere expansion.
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    • 1.Jackson's Mary thought experiment shows that a complete physical description S leaves out experiential knowledge, suggesting S# is not implicit in S.
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    • 2.Propositional completeness of S does not entail cognitive or epistemic completeness, as Levine's explanatory gap argument demonstrates.
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    Key Terms

    Implicitly included(describes whether S# is already contained within S)
    Present or contained within something even if not directly stated or obvious—like how the concept of 'parts' is implicitly included in the word 'puzzle.'
    Independent claim(contrasts with S# being merely an expansion of S)
    A statement that stands on its own and cannot be derived from or reduced to other existing claims.
    S (in this context)(stands for a total description of reality)
    A symbol used to represent a complete description or summary of everything about the world and how it works.
    S# (in this context)(represents an allegedly independent claim or observation)
    A symbol representing something additional or derived from S—in this case, likely a specific fact or claim that supposedly goes beyond the original summary.
    physicalism(The target position that the knowledge argument is designed to refute)
    The thesis that physical theory can in principle account for everything there is to know about the world
    proposition(Used in the context of a semantic theory sensitive to differences in subject matter.)
    The content expressed by a sentence, individuated at least in part by the subject matter of the sentence and the contents of its subsentential expressions.

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    One the other hand, if physicalism is true, and S summarizes the total nature of the world then S# is already implicitly included in S. In other words, (15) is simply an expansion of (14). But if (15) is just an expansion of (14), then if (15) is a priori, (14) must also be a priori. But that means our initial assumption is false: (14) is not a necessary a posteriori truth after all (see Jackson 1998).
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