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    It is not the case that if the above is true, then Scripture argues that the payment for sin is finished with death

    Aggregate Confidence:40%

    Reasons For

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    Reason for 1 of 3
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    • Christ suffered with his perfect divine nature
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    Reason for 2 of 3
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    • Suffering with a perfect, divine nature enables one to suffer infinitely in a finite amount of time
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    Reason for 3 of 3
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    • If the above is true, then it is not that Scripture argues that the payment for sin is finished with death
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    Reasons Against

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    • 1.Scripture's penal substitution framework in Romans 6:23 grounds the 'wages of sin' in biological death, not ongoing torment.
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    • 2.The Mosaic sacrificial system established death—not prolonged suffering—as the typological completion of atonement (Lev. 17:11).
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    • 3.If the type prefigures the antitype, then Christ's death fulfills the pattern Scripture itself establishes as payment's terminus.
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    Reason against 2 of 2
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    • 1.The Socinian and later conditional immortality traditions (Fudge, Stott) argue infinite suffering imports Greek metaphysics alien to Hebrew anthropology.
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    • 2.Hebrew nephesh anthropology treats death as the cessation of the person, making post-mortem suffering conceptually incoherent within the biblical framework.
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    • 3.If infinite suffering requires a naturally immortal soul, and Scripture denies natural immortality, the infinite-suffering objection lacks its necessary metaphysical premise.
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