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    Challenges→The argument that having children is morally wrong is especially forceful in the context of Augustinian theology.

    If the set of souls destined for salvation or reprobation is determined entirely by divine decree antecedent to creation, then human procreative acts merely determine which predetermined souls are instantiated, not their eternal fate.

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    • 1.Divine omniscience entails God knows all actualized facts before creation, including which souls will exist and their ultimate destinies.
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    • 2.If God's decrees are temporally prior to creation, they cannot be causally dependent on human choices that occur within time.
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    • 3.Procreation determines identity and instantiation of souls, not their metaphysical properties already established by divine decree.
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    • 1.Divine decree and human free choice need not be understood as temporally ordered; God's knowledge operates outside temporal sequence.
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    • 2.A soul's eternal fate could depend constitutively on the free choices of its instantiated person, making decree and destiny inseparable.
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    • 3.The distinction between 'which souls exist' and 'their fate' may be artificial if souls lack identity conditions independent of their actualization.
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    Key Terms

    antecedent to creation(as used in theology and metaphysics)
    Existing or happening before the universe and everything in it was created; prior to all existence.
    divine decree(as used in theology)
    A command or decision made by God; in this context, a predetermined plan established by God.
    instantiated(as used in metaphysics and logic)
    Made real or brought into existence as an actual example; like when a concept becomes a real thing you can observe.
    predetermined(as used in discussions of fate and free will)
    Already decided or fixed in advance, before it actually happens.
    procreative acts(as used in theology and philosophy of action)
    Actions related to reproduction or creating new human life; acts that result in the birth of children.
    reprobation(as used in Christian doctrine)
    In Christian theology, the opposite of salvation—the state of being condemned or damned, often understood as eternal separation from God.
    salvation(Theological and philosophical discourse on religious diversity)
    The state of spending eternity in God's presence; the eternal destiny of humankind
    souls(as used in theology and metaphysics)
    In religious and philosophical traditions, the non-physical part of a person that is thought to be eternal or survive after death.

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