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    It is not the case that If we are to come to God as voluntary agents, we can only approach him from a position of sinfulness.

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    • 1.Pelagius and later Erasmus argued that human nature retains sufficient goodness to orient toward God without presupposing a prior state of enmity.
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    • 2.If prelapsarian Adam approached God voluntarily without sinfulness, voluntary agency and sinfulness are not logically co-extensive.
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    Reason for 2 of 2
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    • 1.Aquinas holds that grace can elevate a rational creature toward God from a condition of mere finitude, not necessarily moral opposition (ST I-II, q.109).
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    • 2.A transition from metaphysical dependence to conscious union with God is a coherent alternative starting point that is neither sinful nor morally neutral.
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    Reasons Against

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    • 1.If we are to experience a transition that ends in our being united to God, that transition can only begin from a place where we are separated from him.
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    • 2.There is no morally neutral ground: unless we are within the circle of God's love, we must be outside it.
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    • 3.Once we choose voluntarily to stand alone, we are already in an attitude of hostility toward God.
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