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    It is not the case that IIT's axioms (existence, intrinsicality, information, integration, exclusion) are stipulated from human conscious experience and cannot be extrapolated to arbitrary physical systems without circularity.

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    • 1.Physical axioms (conservation laws, symmetries) are also 'stipulated' from observation yet successfully predict systems far removed from their empirical origin.
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    • 2.IIT's axioms describe structural properties (integration, differentiation) that could apply to any system processing information, not merely conscious phenomena.
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    • 3.Circularity objection conflates *motivation* (how we discovered axioms) with *logical validity* (whether they correctly characterize consciousness if true).
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    • 1.IIT's five axioms directly mirror phenomenological properties (unity, irreducibility, structure) observed only in human consciousness, suggesting anthropomorphic bias.
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    • 2.Applying IIT to systems lacking reportable experience (thermostats, plants) requires assuming the axioms hold universally—a premise never independently justified.
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    • 3.IIT's mathematical formalism begins with consciousness as input, then derives consciousness as output, creating circular reasoning rather than independent derivation.
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