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    It is not the case that Immediate, particular pleasures are the end or goal of life, not pleasure in general or long-term pleasure.

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    • 1.Epicurus argues that stable, katastematic pleasures (like ataraxia) are superior to kinetic pleasures precisely because they endure beyond the moment.
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    • 2.If only immediate particular pleasures constitute the good, we cannot rationally prefer the sustained freedom from pain Epicurus identifies as the highest pleasure.
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    • 3.A theory that cannot account for the superiority of enduring tranquility over fleeting gratification fails to capture even hedonism's own internal distinctions.
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    • 1.Aristotle demonstrates in Nicomachean Ethics X that pleasure considered in isolation from the activity it accompanies cannot serve as a self-sufficient end.
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    • 2.Identifying the end as bare immediate pleasure severs the necessary connection between pleasure and the excellent activity that gives it its evaluative character.
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    • 3.The Cyrenaics' reduction of the good to episodic sensation therefore conflates the felt quality of an experience with the structured, activity-grounded account eudaimonia requires.
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    • 1.Pleasure is the end or goal of life — what everyone should seek.
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    • 2.The end varies situation by situation and action by action.
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    • 3.The end is not happiness, because happiness is merely the sum of particular pleasures.
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