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    It is not that it serves God — Carmelics
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    It is not that it serves God

    Against an aspect of GodEternal Conscious Torment
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    • 1.Divine goodness, as Aquinas argues in ST I.6, is properly ordered toward creation's flourishing, not toward maximizing God's own glory through suffering.
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    • 2.A being whose goodness is genuinely perfect cannot derive benefit from the perpetuation of anguish that surpasses any corrective or redemptive function.
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    • 3.ECT produces no state of affairs—gratitude, justice, rehabilitation—that could not be equally or better realized through annihilation or universal reconciliation.
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    • 1.Leibniz's principle of sufficient reason demands that every divine act have an adequate rational ground expressible in terms of the good it actualizes.
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    • 2.Infinite punishment for finite transgression violates proportionality as a structural feature of justice, as Kant establishes in the Metaphysics of Morals.
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    • 3.Where no proportionate good is served, an act cannot be attributed to a perfectly rational and benevolent divine will without contradiction.
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    • 1.God would cause the same good by causing less pain, instead of this
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    • 2.If the above is true, then it is not that ECT would make the non-damned more thankful
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    It is not that it serves any of those92%It is not that it serves the damned87%If the above is true, then it is not that it serves any of those84%It is not that it serves the non-damned83%

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