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    It is not that it serves any of those — Carmelics
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    It is not that it serves any of those

    Against an aspect of GodEternal Conscious Torment
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    • 1.Retributive justice, as developed by Kant, requires punishment proportional to moral transgression regardless of benefit to the punished.
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    • 2.If eternal conscious torment serves neither the damned nor observers, it fails Kant's categorical demand that punishment honor rational agency by being deserved.
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    • 3.A punishment that serves no rational agent—neither victim, society, nor offender—cannot be justified under any coherent retributive framework.
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    • 1.Jonathan Kvanvig argues in 'The Problem of Hell' that divine justice requires purposes beyond mere retribution to avoid being indistinguishable from cosmic cruelty.
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    • 2.If eternal torment serves none of the traditional purposes—deterrence, reformation, satisfaction, or the common good—it constitutes purposeless suffering.
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    • 3.Purposeless suffering inflicted by an omnipotent agent is morally indistinguishable from malice, which contradicts essential divine omnibenevolence.
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    • 1.The damned gain nothing through everlasting torment
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    • 2.If the above is true, it is not that it serves the damned
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    It is not that it serves God92%If the above is true, then it is not that it serves any of those91%It is not that it serves the damned83%It is not that it serves the non-damned82%

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