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    It is not that Judith 16:17 gives any strong support of ECT — Carmelics
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    Challenges→Judith 16:17 supports ECT

    It is not that Judith 16:17 gives any strong support of ECT

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    • 1.Judith 16:17 focuses on temporal judgment and deliverance, not explicit afterlife consequences or eternal punishment.
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    • 2.The passage lacks terminology (e.g., 'eternal,' 'hell,' 'torment forever') typically used to support ECT doctrine.
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    • 3.Historical context suggests Old Testament texts primarily address earthly justice, not eschatological final states.
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    • 1.Judith 16:17's declaration of God's power and judgment could reasonably imply divine authority over ultimate fates.
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    • 2.Absence of explicit ECT language doesn't preclude compatibility; many biblical texts support doctrines not explicitly named.
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    • 3.The claim requires defining what counts as 'strong support'—ambiguous standards may unfairly dismiss legitimate inferences.
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