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    Judith 16:17 supports ECT — Carmelics
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    Judith 16:17 supports ECT

    Eternal Conscious Torment
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    • 1.Judith 16:17 states the Lord will take vengeance on enemies by putting fire and worms in their flesh, and they shall weep and feel pain forever.
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    • 2.The phrase 'feel pain forever' (eis ton aiona) in the Septuagint consistently denotes unending duration, not mere annihilation or temporary suffering.
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    • 3.A text affirming unending conscious pain directly entails ECT, regardless of whether that support is deemed 'strong' by critics.
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    • 1.The objections concede only that Judith 16:17 gives no 'strong' support, which is compatible with its providing genuine, if modest, support for ECT.
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    • 2.Demetrius Trakatellis and other patristic scholars note that deuterocanonical texts like Judith shaped early Christian eschatology, lending them evidential weight.
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    • 3.Even partial or modest textual support for ECT from Judith 16:17 is sufficient to defeat the claim that the verse does not support ECT at all.
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    • It is not that Judith 16:17 gives any strong support of ECT
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    • If the above is true, then it is not that Judith 16:17 supports ECT
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