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    It is self-evident that if any x and any y are numericall... — Carmelics
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    Challenges→Any account of the Trinity that treats the Persons as numerically identical faces a serious problem.

    It is self-evident that if any x and any y are numerically identical, then x and y can never differ.

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    The Father and the Son are numerically distinct (non-identical).

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    Fourth, it is self-evident that if any x and any y are numerically identical, it follows that x and y can’t ever differ. But arguably any account of the Trinity must allow that the Persons differ at least in respect of origin, so that only the Son is begotten, only the Spirit proceeds, and only the Father begets the Son.

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