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    It would be incompatible with God's moral character to interfere with someone's freedom at the very point where honoring that freedom would teach a hard lesson and do the most good.

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    • 1.Honoring sinners' freedom to experience the life they have chosen would teach a hard lesson and do the most good.
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    • 2.Interfering with freedom when it could achieve the greatest good would be contrary to God's moral character as most Christians understand it.
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    • 1.A perfectly loving God's moral character includes parental-type obligations to relentlessly pursue the restoration of rational creatures, not merely honor their choices.
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    • 2.Earthly parents are not considered morally exemplary when they permit children to suffer permanent ruin in the name of respecting autonomy.
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    • 3.Universalists like Thomas Talbott argue divine love is logically incompatible with accepting any creature's permanent self-destruction as a final outcome.
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    • 1.Post-mortem choices made under conditions of deception, addiction-like habituation, or cognitive corruption may not constitute the kind of free acts that generate inviolable moral claims.
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    • 2.Kant's autonomy principle applies only to rational agents acting under conditions adequate for genuine rational self-governance, not to degraded or compulsive willing.
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    • 3.If sin systematically corrupts the rational faculty, respecting its outputs as sacrosanct freedom mistakes pathological compulsion for authentic self-determination.
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    Key Terms

    Free will / freedom(used in ethics and philosophy of action)
    The ability to make choices and decisions on your own without someone forcing you to act a certain way.
    Interfere with someone's freedom(used in ethics and discussions about moral responsibility)
    To step in and prevent someone from making their own choices, usually by forcing them to do something or stopping them from doing what they want.
    incompatible(as used to describe conflicting demands or responsibilities)
    Unable to exist or work together at the same time; conflicting with each other.
    moral character(as applied to institutions like governments)
    The ethical quality or integrity of something—in this case, whether an institution's actions align with what we consider right and wrong.

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    If this argument should be sound, it also seems to follow that, no matter how tenaciously some sinners might pursue a life apart from God and resist the divine purpose for their lives, God would have, as a sort of last resort, a sure-fire way to shatter the illusions that make their rebellion possible in the first place. To do so, God need only honor their own free choices and permit them to experience the very life they have confusedly chosen for themselves. Why interfere with someone’s freedom, after all, at the very point where honoring that freedom would in fact teach a hard lesson and the...

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    Post-mortem choices made under conditions of deception, addiction-like habituati...
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