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    Lon Fuller's internal morality of law identifies procedur... — Carmelics
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    Supports→The law is not coherently designed to serve a unified social purpose, and instrumentalism about law should be rejected.

    Lon Fuller's internal morality of law identifies procedural ideals law must meet, but these are compatibility constraints, not evidence of substantive unified purpose.

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    • 1.Fuller's eight principles (publicity, clarity, consistency) function as minimal structural requirements for any legal system regardless of its substantive goals.
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    • 2.A tyranny can satisfy Fuller's procedural ideals while pursuing evil ends, showing procedures constrain but don't determine normative purpose.
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    • 3.Fuller himself distinguished between the internal morality enabling law's function and the external morality governing which laws should exist.
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    • 1.Fuller's principles presuppose values like fairness and accessibility, suggesting procedural ideals already embed substantive commitments about human dignity.
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    • 2.Calling procedures mere 'compatibility constraints' obscures that they actively constitute what makes something recognizably law rather than coercion.
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    • 3.Fuller treated legal coherence and rule-of-law as goods worth pursuing, implying procedural ideals express unified purposes beyond neutral compatibility.
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