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    Manipulation arguments succeed even when the manipulated ... — Carmelics
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    Manipulation arguments succeed even when the manipulated agent satisfies historical compatibilist conditions for free agency

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    • 1.Fischer and Ravizza's historical conditions require reasons-responsiveness mechanisms to be the agent's 'own', but manipulation undermines ownership at the ground level.
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    • 2.A mechanism implanted by a neuroscientist can be reasons-responsive and historically operative yet still fail the ownership condition because the agent never authentically endorsed it.
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    • 3.This shows manipulation defeats historical compatibilism not by bypassing its conditions but by exposing that those conditions are insufficient to ground genuine ownership.
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    • 1.Derk Pereboom's four-case argument demonstrates that parity reasoning forces compatibilists to either accept the manipulated agent is free or deny freedom to the ordinary determined agent.
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    • 2.Any historical condition satisfied by the ordinary determined agent can be replicated in the manipulation case by stipulation, collapsing the asymmetry compatibilists require.
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    • 3.Since our intuition that the manipulated agent lacks freedom is stronger than any theoretical commitment to compatibilism, the manipulation case constitutes a successful reductio.
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    • 1.The intuitive force of Manipulation arguments depends only on the fact that the agent's actions are ultimately caused by factors outside the agent's control
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    • 2.A manipulated agent's actions can be ultimately caused by factors outside the agent's control even if the agent satisfies historical compatibilist conditions
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    • 3.Satisfying historical compatibilist conditions does not eliminate ultimate causal dependence on external factors
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    Defenders of Manipulation arguments claim, however, that the argument works even if these kinds of cases are set aside. They say that the intuitive force of the argument depends only on the fact that deterministically caused actions are ultimately caused, as are Victim’s, by factors and forces outside the agent’s control. They say that the argument succeeds even in cases where Producer designs a Victim with unimpaired capacities and a normal psychology, perhaps the kind we’d like our children to
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