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    It is not the case that Matter and motion cannot produce thought and consciousness.

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    • 1.Emergent properties at higher levels of organization are causally novel and need not be present in the constituent parts, as water's liquidity is absent from individual H2O molecules.
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    • 2.The 'perfections' framework assumes a homogeneous causal ontology that emergentist accounts, from Mill's 'heteropathic laws' to contemporary philosophy of mind, systematically reject.
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    • 3.Consciousness may be an emergent property of sufficiently complex material organization, making the production-from-nothing objection a category error about levels of description.
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    • 1.The supporting argument commits the causal adequacy principle in a pre-Humean form that Hume himself undermined: we observe constant conjunction, not necessary perfection-transfer between causes and effects.
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    • 2.If causal powers are defined by observed regularities rather than metaphysical resemblance, there is no principled barrier to complex neural processes regularly producing conscious states.
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    • 1.For matter and motion to produce thought and consciousness, a cause would have to produce effects possessing perfections that the cause itself lacks.
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    • 2.A cause cannot produce effects that possess perfections the cause lacks, because this would mean something is produced from nothing.
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    • 3.Something being produced from nothing is absurd and contradictory.
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