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    Matter cannot be a thing in itself with characteristics independent of human perception.

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    • 1.What we call matter is an appearance.
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    • 2.Shape, contact, and movement characterize only objects as presented to us, not mind-independent external reality.
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    • 1.Causal explanations of perceptual variation require positing mind-independent properties that systematically produce specific appearances.
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    • 2.If matter had no independent characteristics, the regularity and predictability of perceptual experience would be inexplicable.
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    • 3.The best explanation for perceptual convergence across observers is that matter constrains perception from outside it.
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    • 1.Scientific structural realism holds that physics describes real relational structures of the world, not merely human-relative appearances.
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    • 2.Mathematical invariances in physical law—like charge-mass ratios—remain constant across all reference frames, including non-human ones.
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    • 3.Wigner's 'unreasonable effectiveness of mathematics' is better explained by mind-independent structure than by the contingencies of human cognition.
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    Causal explanations of perceptual variation require positing mind-independent pr...If matter had no independent characteristics, the regularity and predictability ...Mathematical invariances in physical law—like charge-mass ratios—remain constant...Scientific structural realism holds that physics describes real relational struc...
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    Shape, contact, and movement characterize only objects as presented to us, not m...The best explanation for perceptual convergence across observers is that matter ...What we call matter is an appearance.Wigner's 'unreasonable effectiveness of mathematics' is better explained by mind...

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    Matter, Kant could readily agree with Leibniz, cannot be a thing in itself, stuff possessed of characteristics and qualities independent of human perception; what we call matter is an appearance (4:507). The true nature of mind-independent external reality cannot be described by reference to shape, contact or movement, which characterize only the objects presented to us (A265–6/B 321–2). He understood Leibniz’s reasoning in favour of monads as follows: It is impossible to conceive two material a
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