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    Neither Socrates nor future Martian outposts exist — Carmelics
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    Neither Socrates nor future Martian outposts exist

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    • 1.According to presentism, only present objects exist
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    • 2.Socrates's body ceased to be present shortly after he died
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    • 3.Future Martian outposts are not yet present
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    • 1.Eternalism (four-dimensionalism) holds that past, present, and future entities all equally exist as temporal parts of spacetime.
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    • 2.Socrates exists as a fully real temporal segment of the block universe, occupying definite spacetime coordinates from ~470–399 BCE.
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    • 3.If eternalism is true, the presentist premise that 'only present objects exist' is false, undermining the entire argument.
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    • 1.Possibilism, defended by Kripke and others, holds that merely possible and future entities have genuine ontological status as possible objects.
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    • 2.Future Martian outposts are not metaphysically impossible and occupy determinate positions in modal-temporal logical space.
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    • 3.If future contingents possess even minimal ontological standing, the claim that they simply 'do not exist' conflates non-actuality with non-existence.
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    According to presentism, only present objects exist. More precisely, presentism is the view that, necessarily, it is always true that only present objects exist. Even more precisely, no objects exist in time without being present (abstract objects might exist outside of time). (Note that some writers have used the name differently, and unless otherwise indicated, what is meant here by “present” is temporally present, as opposed to spatially present.) According to presentism, if we were to make a
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