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    No form is in humans — Carmelics
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    No form is in humans

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    • 1.Anything that is itself by itself is not in humans (P1)
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    • 2.Every form is itself by itself (Separation)
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    • 1.Aristotle's immanent realism holds that universals exist only in particular things, making forms genuinely present in humans.
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    • 2.If Aristotelian immanent forms are coherent, then 'being itself by itself' is not a necessary condition for being a form.
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    • 3.Therefore, Plato's Separation premise can be denied without abandoning the reality of forms altogether.
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    • 1.Plato's own Phaedo (100d) treats forms as causes present to particulars via 'participation,' implying some relational presence in things.
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    • 2.If participation entails a genuine ontological relation between form and particular, then forms are not wholly absent from humans but structurally implicated in them.
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    • 3.The inference from 'itself by itself' to 'not in humans at all' conflates ontological independence with complete absence from particulars.
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    Now, by P1, anything that is itself by itself is not in humans, and, by Separation, every form is itself by itself. Hence P1 and Separation entail that no form is in humans, i.e., that if Y is a form, then Y is not in humans. This result, taken together with P6, entails P7:
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