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    It is not the case that No form is in humans

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    Reasons For

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    Reason for 1 of 2
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    • 1.Aristotle's immanent realism holds that universals exist only in particular things, making forms genuinely present in humans.
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    • 2.If Aristotelian immanent forms are coherent, then 'being itself by itself' is not a necessary condition for being a form.
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    • 3.Therefore, Plato's Separation premise can be denied without abandoning the reality of forms altogether.
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    Reason for 2 of 2
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    • 1.Plato's own Phaedo (100d) treats forms as causes present to particulars via 'participation,' implying some relational presence in things.
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    • 2.If participation entails a genuine ontological relation between form and particular, then forms are not wholly absent from humans but structurally implicated in them.
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    • 3.The inference from 'itself by itself' to 'not in humans at all' conflates ontological independence with complete absence from particulars.
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    Reasons Against

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    • 1.Anything that is itself by itself is not in humans (P1)
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    • 2.Every form is itself by itself (Separation)
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