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    It is not the case that No matter when it happens, dying is bad for those who die.

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    • 1.Schopenhauer and anti-natalists like Benatar argue that existence itself imposes suffering whose avoidance through non-existence constitutes a positive good.
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    • 2.If the mere capacity for experience carries negative value (unavoidable pain, frustration, decline), then Nagel's premise that experience itself adds positive welfare weight is false.
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    • 3.Death that terminates a trajectory of suffering-laden experience may therefore be beneficial rather than bad for the one who dies.
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    Reason for 2 of 2
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    • 1.Death cannot harm the one who dies because harm requires a subject who exists to be harmed, and the dead do not exist (Epicurus, Letter to Menoeceus).
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    • 2.A non-existent person has no welfare level, so claims that death diminishes wellbeing lack a coherent subject of attribution.
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    • 1.Life is worth living even when the bad elements of experience are plentiful and the good ones too meager to outweigh the bad ones on their own.
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    • 2.The additional positive weight is supplied by experience itself, rather than by any of its contents.
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    • 3.It is intrinsically good for us to experience things, and this good is great enough to outweigh any evils that accompany it.
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