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    No matter when it happens, dying is bad for those who die. — Carmelics
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    No matter when it happens, dying is bad for those who die.

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    • 1.Life is worth living even when the bad elements of experience are plentiful and the good ones too meager to outweigh the bad ones on their own.
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    • 2.The additional positive weight is supplied by experience itself, rather than by any of its contents.
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    • 3.It is intrinsically good for us to experience things, and this good is great enough to outweigh any evils that accompany it.
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    • 1.Schopenhauer and anti-natalists like Benatar argue that existence itself imposes suffering whose avoidance through non-existence constitutes a positive good.
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    • 2.If the mere capacity for experience carries negative value (unavoidable pain, frustration, decline), then Nagel's premise that experience itself adds positive welfare weight is false.
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    • 3.Death that terminates a trajectory of suffering-laden experience may therefore be beneficial rather than bad for the one who dies.
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    • 1.Death cannot harm the one who dies because harm requires a subject who exists to be harmed, and the dead do not exist (Epicurus, Letter to Menoeceus).
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    • 2.A non-existent person has no welfare level, so claims that death diminishes wellbeing lack a coherent subject of attribution.
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    Nagel, 'Death' and The View From Nowhere
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    In “Death” (and in The View From Nowhere, p. 224) Nagel argues that no matter when it happens, dying is bad for those who die. He bases this view on the claim that “life is worth living even when the bad elements of experience are plentiful and the good ones too meager to outweigh the bad ones on their own. The additional positive weight is supplied by experience itself, rather than by any of its contents.” (1970, p. 60) Nagel’s view appears to be that it is intrinsically good for us to experience things, and that this good is great enough to outweigh any evils that accompany it. Hence a perso...
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    Validity: The premises faithfully reconstruct the chain of reasoning presented in the passage—from the intrinsic goodness of experience (premises 1–3), to a persistently positive welfare level (premise 4), to the conclusion that continued life is always beneficial (premise 5), which directly entails that dying (the deprivation of that beneficial continued life) is always bad for those who die.

    Confidence: The argument is clearly attributed to Nagel and explicitly reconstructed in the passage.

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