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    There is no change with respect to God. — Carmelics
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    Supports→God and all spatial things share a reference frame—the reference frame of eternity—in which nothing changes and all events are simultaneous, including God's actions and their effects.

    There is no change with respect to God.

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    • 1.Nothing ever moves with respect to God.
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    • 2.All change supervenes on motion, e.g., change in color supervenes on motion in microparticles.
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    • 1.Process theology (Whitehead, Hartshorne) holds that God's consequent nature is genuinely affected by contingent worldly events.
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    • 2.Supervenience of change on motion is a classical mechanics assumption incompatible with field-theoretic or relational accounts of physical change.
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    • 3.If divine responsiveness to prayer or creation involves real relations, God acquires new relational properties, which constitutes change.
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    • 1.God's knowledge of tensed facts (e.g., 'it is now Tuesday') must update as time passes, constituting genuine change.
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    • 2.If God knows all truths and tensed propositions change truth-value, God's knowledge-states cannot remain static.
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    The Zero Thesis says not only that the distance between God and any spatial thing is zero, but also that it always is zero. Therefore nothing ever moves with respect to God. Moreover, all change supervenes on motion, e.g., change in color supervenes on motion in microparticles. So there is no change with respect to God (Leftow 1991: 227). Therefore, God and all spatial things share a frame of reference, the reference frame of eternity, in which nothing changes. In this reference frame, all events are simultaneous, including God’s actions and their effects. That is, they all occur at eternity, ...

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