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    One can recognize that an external thing has no ultimate ... — Carmelics
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    One can recognize that an external thing has no ultimate value and still act vigorously in pursuit of it

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    • 1.Acting vigorously in pursuit of externals can be in accordance with one's rational character
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    • 2.The value of pursuing an external can derive from playing one's role properly, not from the external itself
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    • 1.Vigorous pursuit requires motivational investment, and motivational investment presupposes that the object matters to the agent as an end.
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    • 2.Recognizing that X has no ultimate value structurally undermines the affective states—desire, striving, urgency—that constitute vigorous pursuit.
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    • 3.Therefore, the Stoic who fully internalizes indifference to externals cannot sustain the motivational profile that vigorous pursuit requires.
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    • 1.Aristotle argues in the Nicomachean Ethics that virtuous action requires correctly valuing its objects, not merely performing the right external motions.
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    • 2.If role-performance provides all the value in pursuing an external, the agent is engaged in a form of motivated self-deception about what actually drives their conduct.
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    • 3.An action whose vigorous character depends on concealing from oneself the agent's true evaluative stance lacks the rational transparency virtue ethics demands.
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    This does not mean that one should be heedless of externals. “Externals must be used with care, because their usage is not an indifferent matter, yet at the same time with composure and tranquility, because the material being used is indifferent” (2.5.6). One can recognize that a thing is without ultimate value and still act vigorously in pursuit of it, when doing so is in accordance with one’s rational character. Epictetus offers the analogy of ball players who recognize that the ball they are
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