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    It is not the case that One can recognize that an external thing has no ultimate value and still act vigorously in pursuit of it

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    • 1.Vigorous pursuit requires motivational investment, and motivational investment presupposes that the object matters to the agent as an end.
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    • 2.Recognizing that X has no ultimate value structurally undermines the affective states—desire, striving, urgency—that constitute vigorous pursuit.
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    • 3.Therefore, the Stoic who fully internalizes indifference to externals cannot sustain the motivational profile that vigorous pursuit requires.
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    • 1.Aristotle argues in the Nicomachean Ethics that virtuous action requires correctly valuing its objects, not merely performing the right external motions.
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    • 2.If role-performance provides all the value in pursuing an external, the agent is engaged in a form of motivated self-deception about what actually drives their conduct.
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    • 3.An action whose vigorous character depends on concealing from oneself the agent's true evaluative stance lacks the rational transparency virtue ethics demands.
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    • 1.Acting vigorously in pursuit of externals can be in accordance with one's rational character
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    • 2.The value of pursuing an external can derive from playing one's role properly, not from the external itself
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