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    People freely choose salvation or Hell — Carmelics
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    Challenges→If people are tortured forever in Hell with utmost intensity, either they must have committed infinitely evil crimes, or their ECT torturing must be inconsistent with the justice of God

    People freely choose salvation or Hell

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    • 1.Kant's categorical imperative grounds moral responsibility in rational autonomy, making genuine free choice constitutive of human dignity itself.
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    • 2.A God who overrides the will to prevent Hell treats persons as means rather than ends, violating the very dignity Hell's critics invoke.
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    • 3.Compatibilist accounts fail to ground genuine moral desert, making libertarian freedom necessary for any coherent theory of just punishment.
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    • 1.C.S. Lewis argues in 'The Great Divorce' that Hell's doors are locked from the inside, meaning damnation is the culmination of freely sustained self-rejection.
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    • 2.Existentialist frameworks from Sartre establish that humans are 'condemned to be free,' making the evasion of ultimate self-defining choice metaphysically impossible.
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    • 1.Libertarian freedom MIGHT not be a supreme, undebatable value
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    • 2.If the above is true, it MIGHT not be that people freely choose salvation or Hell
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