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    If people are tortured forever in Hell with utmost intensity, either they must have committed infinitely evil crimes, or their ECT torturing must be inconsistent with the justice of God

    Eternal Conscious Torment
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    • 1.Retributive justice requires proportionality: punishment must be commensurate in magnitude with the gravity of the offense (Kant, Metaphysics of Morals).
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    • 2.Finite temporal crimes, even the gravest, cannot generate infinite moral debt, as moral desert is bounded by the agent's finite causal and rational capacity.
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    • 3.Therefore, infinite punishment of finite creatures violates the proportionality principle constitutive of retributive justice, regardless of divine authorization.
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    • 1.Aquinas holds that justice renders to each their due (suum cuique), and that disproportionate punishment is an injustice even when inflicted by legitimate authority (ST II-II, Q.61).
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    • 2.Free choice of damnation (Objection 1) determines the destination of punishment but cannot by itself transform a finite sin into a crime deserving infinite suffering intensity without limit.
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    • 3.Continuous accumulation of sin in Hell (Objection 2) cannot retroactively justify the initial imposition of maximal eternal torment before any such accumulation has occurred.
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    Reasons Against

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    • 1.People freely choose salvation or Hell
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    • 2.If the above is true, then it is not the case that if people are tortured forever in Hell with utmost intensity, either they must have committed infintiely evil crimes, or thier tortuing must be inconsistent with the justice of God.
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    • 1.The damned will suffer continually
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    • 2.If the above is true, then it is not the case that if people are tortured forever in Hell with utmost intensity, either they must have committed infintiely evil crimes, or thier tortuing must be inconsistent with the justice of God.
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    • 1.punishment of sin is always a good, not an evil
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    • 2.If the above is true, then it is not the case that if people are tortured forever in Hell with utmost intensity, either they must have committed infintiely evil crimes, or thier tortuing must be inconsistent with the justice of God.
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    • 1.Hell does not need to deal with the laws of justice the Bible set up
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    • 2.If the above is true, then it is not the case that if people are tortured forever in Hell with utmost intensity, either they must have committed infintiely evil crimes, or thier tortuing must be inconsistent with the justice of God.
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    Against an aspect of GodEternal Conscious Torment

    Key Terms

    ECT(as used in theology)
    An acronym that likely stands for 'Eternal Conscious Torment'—the theological concept that souls suffer conscious pain forever in Hell without ever losing awareness or dying.
    Hell(as used in theology and religious philosophy)
    In Christian and other religious traditions, a place or state of punishment or separation from God that comes after death as a consequence of sin.
    Inconsistent with(as used in logic)
    Contradicts or conflicts with; logically incompatible with.
    Infinitely evil crimes(as used in ethics and theology)
    Wrongdoings so severe or numerous that they would theoretically deserve punishment without limit or end.
    Justice of God(as used in theology)
    The idea that God acts fairly and righteously, punishing wrongdoing proportionally and treating people according to what they deserve.
    Problem of evil (implied concept)(as used in theology and philosophy of religion)
    The philosophical question of how a good, all-powerful God could allow terrible suffering and pain to exist in the world.

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    <html> <head> </head> <body> <p> Fairly clearly, we can see that the main way this dissents from ECT is that it does not believe that sin&#xa0;is infinitely evil. While it <i>might</i>&#xa0; not be required to summarize this as a reply to that premise in the ECT argument itself, it will at least be strongly suggested that someone who makes the link between this argument and a sinless life would refer to this as a reply to the argument that sin is infinitely evil in the ECT argument </p> </body> </html>

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