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    It is not the case that Person-collapse should be rejected by trinitarians.

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    • 1.Latin trinitarians like Augustine hold that the divine persons are distinguished by relations of origin, not by being numerically distinct substances.
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    • 2.On a relative identity reading, 'the Father is God' and 'the Son is God' need not entail 'the Father is the Son' because identity claims are sortal-relative.
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    • 3.If identity is sortal-relative, person-collapse does not follow from shared divine substance, neutralizing the force of P1 and P2.
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    Reason for 2 of 2
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    • 1.Modalists like Sabellius historically accepted that Father, Son, and Spirit are numerically identical with God while denying tritheism, showing a coherent trinitarian-adjacent position exists.
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    • 2.The supporting argument assumes orthodoxy requires affirming three hypostases as numerically distinct, but this begs the question against sophisticated modal monarchianism.
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    • 3.A defender of person-collapse can bite the bullet on P1 and P2 by arguing these 'problematic' entailments are features of strict divine simplicity, not bugs.
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    • 1.Person-collapse entails that the Father just is the Son.
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    • 2.Person-collapse entails that the Spirit is three Persons (since, being numerically the same with God, and God is three Persons, the Holy Spirit will be three Persons).
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    • 3.These are claims any trinitarian should deny.
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