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    It is not the case that Pleasure is not the true or ultimate measure of choice-worthiness

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    • 1.We judge which pleasures are and are not worth pursuing
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    • 2.The standard for evaluating pleasures must be external to pleasure itself
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    Reasons Against

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    • 1.Shaftesbury argues that moral sense perceives the fittingness of actions independently of their hedonic consequences.
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    • 2.If pleasure were the ultimate measure, virtuous action under suffering would be paradoxically choice-unworthy, contradicting our clearest moral intuitions.
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    • 3.The affections directed toward public good retain their moral worth even when they yield no personal pleasure, as Shaftesbury's account of natural affection demonstrates.
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    • 1.Aristotle's distinction between hedone and eudaimonia establishes that a flourishing life requires excellences whose value is not reducible to felt satisfaction.
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    • 2.Robert Nozick's experience machine argument shows that rational agents consistently prefer real virtuous engagement over maximally pleasurable simulations.
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    • 3.Therefore, choice-worthiness tracks objective features of actions and character—such as virtue, integrity, and genuine relationship—that pleasure merely accompanies but does not constitute.
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