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    Retributive justice is not to be identified with vengeanc... — Carmelics
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    Retributive justice is not to be identified with vengeance or revenge.

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    • 1.The desire for revenge may play a motivational role leading people to value retributive justice.
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    • 2.Retributive justice may be the sublimated, generalized version of the thirst for revenge, but the two are nonetheless different.
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    • 3.Retributivism is not to be identified with vengeance or revenge, any more than love is to be identified with lust.
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    • 1.Retributivism and revenge share the same foundational logic: the wrongdoer deserves to suffer in proportion to the harm inflicted.
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    • 2.A distinction grounded solely in who administers punishment (state vs. victim) is procedural, not moral, and cannot constitute a principled conceptual difference.
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    • 3.If the structural logic is identical, Fletcher's analogy to love and lust fails, since lust and love differ in kind, not merely in institutional authorization.
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    • 1.Nietzsche's genealogical analysis in 'On the Genealogy of Morality' demonstrates that retributive justice historically emerged from and perpetuates creditor-debtor revenge dynamics.
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    • 2.If retributivism is genetically inseparable from revenge and reproduces its core affective and normative structure, the claim of conceptual distinctness requires more than sublimation to be philosophically defensible.
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    George Fletcher (2000: 417)
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    These distinctions do not imply that the desire for revenge plays no motivational role leading people to value retributive justice. Perhaps retributive justice is the sublimated, generalized version of the thirst for revenge. The two are nonetheless different. As George Fletcher wrote (2000: 417), retributivism “is not to be identified with vengeance or revenge, any more than love is to be identified with lust”.
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    Validity: The premises accurately reflect the passage's content and collectively support the conclusion that retributive justice is distinct from vengeance/revenge, with premise 3 providing an analogical argument and premise 2 directly asserting the difference despite acknowledging a motivational connection.

    Confidence: The argument is clearly stated: even if revenge motivates valuing retributive justice, they are distinct concepts, supported by Fletcher's analogy.

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