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    Self-identification with the mind-body-sense complex is n... — Carmelics
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    Self-identification with the mind-body-sense complex is not fully real.

    Consciousness & Mind
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    • 1.The individual sense of self-identity is merely a reflection of consciousness, not consciousness itself.
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    • 2.A reflection is less real than its prototype.
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    • 3.People mistake the reflection for the real self due to self-ignorance.
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    • 1.Bodily continuity and memory constitute personal identity in ways that are causally efficacious and explanatorily indispensable (Locke, Parfit).
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    • 2.If the mind-body complex causally grounds all experience, moral agency, and psychological continuity, dismissing it as 'not fully real' undermines the very framework needed to explain suffering and liberation.
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    • 3.A metaphysical hierarchy of 'degrees of reality' requires independent justification beyond mere phenomenological report of mistaken identification.
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    • 1.Wittgenstein and Ryle demonstrate that the grammar of 'self' is not a hidden inner entity but is constituted through embodied, public, rule-governed practices.
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    • 2.If self-identification with the mind-body complex is a grammatical and practical necessity rather than an epistemic error, the concept of 'self-ignorance' presupposes a standard of reality it has not earned the right to invoke.
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    SEP: shankara
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    For Śaṅkara, the reflection of consciousness is an as though appearance because all-pervasive consciousness is not subject to movement or change. Consciousness is not like a substance that undergoes modification or entry within time and space. It remains untouched and unaffected, like the prototype image is untouched by its reflection or universal space is unaffected by the pot (BrSūBh 2.3.46). Furthermore, literal entry is also not possible because the reflection is less real than its prototype
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    Wittgenstein and Ryle demonstrate that the grammar of 'self' is not a hidden inn...
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