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    It is not the case that Self-identification with the mind-body-sense complex is not fully real.

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    Reasons For

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    Reason for 1 of 2
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    • 1.Bodily continuity and memory constitute personal identity in ways that are causally efficacious and explanatorily indispensable (Locke, Parfit).
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    • 2.If the mind-body complex causally grounds all experience, moral agency, and psychological continuity, dismissing it as 'not fully real' undermines the very framework needed to explain suffering and liberation.
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    • 3.A metaphysical hierarchy of 'degrees of reality' requires independent justification beyond mere phenomenological report of mistaken identification.
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    Reason for 2 of 2
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    • 1.Wittgenstein and Ryle demonstrate that the grammar of 'self' is not a hidden inner entity but is constituted through embodied, public, rule-governed practices.
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    • 2.If self-identification with the mind-body complex is a grammatical and practical necessity rather than an epistemic error, the concept of 'self-ignorance' presupposes a standard of reality it has not earned the right to invoke.
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    Reasons Against

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    • 1.The individual sense of self-identity is merely a reflection of consciousness, not consciousness itself.
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    • 2.A reflection is less real than its prototype.
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    • 3.People mistake the reflection for the real self due to self-ignorance.
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