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    Sound waves are not sounds merely because sound waves are... — Carmelics
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    Sound waves are not sounds merely because sound waves are responsible for the perceptual difficulty in locating sounds.

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    • 1.Casati and Dokic's distal theory holds that sounds are located at their sources, not in the intervening medium where waves propagate.
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    • 2.If the medium-traveling wave were the sound, then sounds would be located in the air between source and listener, contradicting robust cross-cultural localization intuitions.
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    • 3.A causal intermediary producing perceptual difficulty is not thereby the object of perception, as Grice's causal theory of perception distinguishes the veridical object from its causal chain.
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    • 1.Sounds are individuated by their phenomenal qualities (pitch, timbre, loudness), none of which are intrinsic properties of sound waves as physical disturbances.
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    • 2.If sound waves were sounds, then two distinct sounds sharing identical wave parameters would be numerically identical, violating Leibniz's Law.
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    • 1.The deviant path of sound waves in echoes is responsible for the perceptual difficulty in locating sounds.
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    • 2.Responsibility for a perceptual effect does not entail identity with the perceived object.
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    The deviant paths of sound waves (in echoes) is responsible for the perceptual difficulty in locating sounds, much as the deviant path of light rays (in mirrors) is responsible for the analogous difficulty for visible objects (Casati & Dokic 1994; see also O’Callaghan 2007 for a lengthy discussion of echoes, and Fowler 2013 for arguments against O’Callaghan’s view). But it is not the case that sound waves are sounds just because of their responsibility. From the fact that a subject hears som
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