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    Substantive democratic equality should have no independen... — Carmelics
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    Substantive democratic equality should have no independent weight against the fundamental aim of producing just laws and policies.

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    • 1.Rawls's difference principle subordinates procedural fairness to substantive outcomes benefiting the least advantaged, establishing outcome-priority within liberal theory.
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    • 2.If even the most influential liberal egalitarian framework treats procedures as derivative of substantive justice, democratic equality cannot claim lexical priority over just outcomes.
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    • 3.Democratic procedures that systematically produce unjust outcomes—as in majoritarian oppression of minorities—thereby forfeit their normative authority on consequentialist grounds.
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    • 1.Mill's epistemic defense of democracy in 'Considerations on Representative Government' grounds democratic legitimacy entirely in its tendency to produce wise, beneficial legislation.
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    • 2.If democratic equality's justification is itself consequentialist and outcome-dependent, it generates no independent deontological weight capable of overriding substantive justice.
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    • 3.Instrumentally grounded institutions lose their claim to deference precisely when they demonstrably fail the consequentialist purposes that constitute their sole justification.
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    • 1.The point of democratic politics is to produce just laws, policies, and substantively just outcomes generally.
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    • 2.Substantive democratic equality is only instrumentally valuable insofar as it is a means to substantive justice.
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    • 3.When substantive democratic equality conflicts with producing substantively just outcomes, the latter takes priority.
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    Implementing the substantive ideal of democratic equality might conflict with other justice norms (Estlund 2000). Suppose that restrictions on campaign financing and lobbying by interest groups reduce the influence of the wealthy on political policy choices, so that democratic equality is more nearly fulfilled. It might be the case that the now prohibited extra contributions of the wealthy would have enhanced the quality of political deliberation and produced better informed and substantively mo
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