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    It is not the case that Such a continuation is inconsistent with the justice of God

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    Reasons For

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    Reason for
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    • 1.If there is a redemptive purpose, it must serve someone
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    • 2.It can only serve the damned, the non-damned, or God
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    • 3.It is not that it serves any of those
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    Reasons Against

    2 perspectives
    Reason against 1 of 2
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    • 1.Justice, as Aristotle establishes in Nicomachean Ethics V, requires proportionality between offense and punishment.
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    • 2.Finite creatures committing finite sins cannot incur an infinite debt that warrants literally endless suffering.
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    • 3.An infinitely disproportionate punishment violates the retributive principle at the heart of divine justice itself.
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    Reason against 2 of 2
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    • 1.Aquinas holds in ST I-II q.87 that punishment is just only insofar as it restores the order violated by sin.
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    • 2.Eternal conscious torment restores no moral order once the sinner is permanently beyond correction or reconciliation.
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    • 3.A punishment that serves neither restoration nor proportionate retribution is, on classical theistic terms, arbitrary cruelty, not justice.
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