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    The aged or others who have already made substantial cont... — Carmelics
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    The aged or others who have already made substantial contributions to societal welfare would be morally permitted to engage in suicide

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    • 1.Once an individual has discharged her obligations under the societal contract, she is no longer morally obligated to continue her life
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    • 2.The aged and others who have made substantial contributions have already discharged their societal obligations
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    • 1.Human dignity and the duty to preserve life are not exhausted by social contribution but inhere in personhood itself (Kant, Groundwork 4:429).
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    • 2.Treating life's permissibility as contingent on completed obligations reduces persons to instruments of social utility, violating the humanity formula.
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    • 1.Social obligations are not fully dischargeable at a fixed point, since ongoing relationships—familial, civic, mentorial—generate new duties continuously (Hardwig, 'Is There a Duty to Die?').
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    • 2.The premise that contributions 'discharge' obligations misrepresents the web of ongoing relational duties that persist regardless of prior service rendered.
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    A modification of this argument claims that suicide violates a person’s duty of reciprocity to society (Cholbi 2011, 60–62). On this view, an individual and the society in which she lives stand in a reciprocal relationship such that in exchange for the goods the society has provided to the individual, the individual must continue to live in order to provide her society with the goods that relationship demands. Yet in envisioning the relationship between society and the individual as quasi-contra
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